Date: 2005-09-02 05:38 pm (UTC)
alchemy: Raja (Default)
From: [personal profile] alchemy
Dude, I love you, but you need to stop believing the hype. Four of the six links you posted are from the White House website. That, to me, makes them moot. Secondarily, the wide-scale media isn't much better. And yeah, Bush wants to say that the response is "Unnacceptable." How convenient, since his administration's handling of funds during his last term are what fucked NO over.

Date: 2005-09-02 05:55 pm (UTC)
alchemy: Raja (Default)
From: [personal profile] alchemy
He MOST CERTAINLY IS NOT doing all that he can. Period. It is ridiculous. Our country's aid to the countries effected by the Tsunami was quicker.

But I'm not going to argue about this anymore. I think dude is a fucking assmunch, and you're not going to change my mind anymore than I'm going to change yours.

Date: 2005-09-02 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lheena.livejournal.com
... Because there (http://www.nola.com%2Fhurricane%2Findex.ssf%3F%2Fwashingaway%2Fpart1.html) Was proof there was a problem and diverted off the funds to fix it. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5961048/page/2)

Because he went back to his vacation for two days before a Cat 4/5 Hurricane was about to hit the US, and didn't actually cordinate a task force until Thursday. (http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=4777)

He flew over it for 35 minutes, and said he's not looking forward to going there. Has to be the stupidest statement in a -long- time. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_katrina_21)

'New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars. '
(http://alternet.org/story/24871)

Date: 2005-09-02 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lheena.livejournal.com
... It doesn't matter if he's a brilliant speaker, although the President should be, imho.

Only one thing above deals with his PR ability.

Date: 2005-09-02 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lheena.livejournal.com
Ahha!

*thumbs up*

Totally agree. My High School Speech Coach wanted to stab him in the head, I think.

Date: 2005-09-02 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloominglotus.livejournal.com
I can't agree with you here, but as always I appreciate the strength of your convictions.

I was talking to my dad earlier today, and he and I both agreed that it's a shame that politics plays any part in this. However, it does seem that there's no avoiding it this time, because no matter what side you're on there are undeniable politcal implications to what has transpired.

One thing to think about (and this applies to both points of view) - there are people - I admit, myself included - who find it emotionally easier to be angry or cast blame than to try to absorb the pain and suffering. When I think about the scope of this tragedy, it overwhelms me to the point of distraction...but the political aspect is easier to swallow. It is more or less a coping mechanism (at least on my part). I don't like having to own up to that, but there you have it.

Date: 2005-09-02 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloominglotus.livejournal.com
Well, sure...I'm not trying to argue with you on this. That was never my intention at all, and I tried to make that clear. I was just offering a reason why some people may be taking some of the political aspects more personally, or emphasising them a bit more. I definitely wasn't looking to debate you, and I'm sorry if you felt otherwise or if I came off confrontational in any way. That's why I made my statement on "that part" very brief.

Date: 2005-09-02 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloominglotus.livejournal.com
Hey, I totally understand! It never hurts to put the other side out there. People should hear both sides of the argument. Besides, it's an emotional time for everyone, and words are going to fly.

Date: 2005-09-02 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mlwhite617.livejournal.com
I agree the president is doing all he can except for pressing that magic button that the so called liberals think he has.

The White House can't post lies on their website. They are held to a higher standard then the media is. Think about it, the Democrats would have a field day if Bush's staff posted lies on their website.

If you ask me people are being very childish. This isn't a political issue. A natural disaster happened and the president is doing the best he can. He cut short his vacation in order to get things moving. The National Guard has been doing search and rescue before trying to keep order. There are over 30,000 national guard in the disater area to help those in need and to keep order.

But honestly because our president is a Republican anything he does isn't good enough for the Democrats. Which is really sad that people are being so political.

In reality the President does have some power like deploying National Guard or the Army ect. But its really up to your congressmen to get money and other relief to the states. So if you are looking to blame someone I believe the ones that you need to look at the states congressmen. They are the ones that are responsible for their state they are also the ones that are supposed to communicate to the president and other organizations that their state needs help.

Anyways lets stop placing blame natural disaster happen and I am sure there are ways to do things better, but honestly you can look back and say that about any situation. Instead of being hateful and placing blame on someone that you don't like try helping by donating money or food.

As for a pubic speaker I would rather have a president with good moral values then a great speaker. I think we had enough of Bill Clinton. A good leader motivates and has great moral value for an example to others. Public Speaking will not help those in need, nor will it destroy terrorism.

But then I am a Republican and yes I do like this President not for his decisions on politics and money but because of his morals. I honestly believe he is trying to do the right thing. And yes he is going to make mistakes I don't think any man is perfect.

After this aftermath I hope the president does address the Gas situation and illegal immigration.

Date: 2005-09-03 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spaghetti-os.livejournal.com
Ahh absolutely! Illegal immigration is such a huge problem. I hope President Bush will ignore the cries of the ACLU and work to solve the problem. We're being colonized and no one seems to mind...

I like the President's morals too, but I hate watching him speak. It's like a train wreck!

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